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I love and agree with everything you said and yeah the I'm so fascinated by the insulin response piece and we've talked about it on the show before but but basically your body has two different phases of releasing insulin with a meal and so Barry this is what Barry was referencing but basically your your your pancreas always has a little bit of insulin like ready and waiting to go and it's called the cephalic phase insulin response and when you get exposed to something that is food related your body and like like Barry said though I guess it I guess can vary by people as to like how much this has an effect or like what actually happens but in theory what we know is the pancreas releases like a little bit of insulin in preparation like it's assuming you're about to eat so that's why just being exposed to food related flavors or sweetness or chewing can actually release that insulin it's not like the whole gamut of insulin but it's this like ready and waiting to go insulin which I find really really interesting and I was just thinking about it a little bit esoterically right now like so when you're chewing gum because I used to be I don't know Barry did you ever go through a like a gum chewing phase Barry Conrad Yeah, I just thought I wasn't being unhealthy because it's just gum